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Hey there!

First of all, i'm new here. I'm Ed from Groningen, Holland (near EHGG) and i would like to learn some things about fine-tuning my plane's in FS9.

Now i have a little problem with tuning a Cessna 182 RG. It aint realistic, but i wan't it to go a little faster.
I was thinking about 280 knots cruise/ 320 knots max.
I am already fooling around with FSEdit and AirEd, and the 182 is hitting 220 knots now. But this with highly inefficient settings, like 1500 hp, and it's flying like crap above 170 knots. It's shaking like ****.

It's my goal to get it go faster, but it has to be a bit more realistic than this.
What can i do, to make the plane more efficient?
How can i get the plane stable at higher speeds?

I like the design of the 182 RG, and i think, that it diserves (is this right?) a bit more speed.

Can someone help me with these problem's?

It is not my goal, however, to built or tune more planes in the future. I like to leave that job to the pro's!
So i'm not seeking for (relativly) expensive program's, to hit my goal.

Any help would be welcome!

ps: forgive me for mistakes, my english is a little ruste...

Now i have a little problem with tuning a Cessna 182 RG. It aint realistic, but i wan't it to go a little faster.  
I was thinking about 280 knots cruise/ 320 knots max.

The plane's real-world cruise speed is about 120 knots, but you want it to go just a [glb]LITTLE[/glb] faster.

If so, get ready for a lot of investing in many things.

1. Understanding the dynamics files [Aircraft.cfg file and the *.air file]

You have to know what each value in the aircraft.cfg file means and you have to know how a change in one value can drasticaly change the effects of another value. I know this from a lot of experience.

Since my expertise lies only with ground-vehicle dynamics, my advice will be limited.

Since you wish to increase the speed of a Cessna to 280 knots, try reducing the gear-reduction ratio. The lower the value, the higher the prop speed becomes with less thruttle input needed. However, this might cause an increase in the response time due the Moment Of Inertia [MOA] exerted by the props.

Speaking of MOA, go to the Prop section in the Aircraft.cfg file and reduce the MOA value just a  little. This might help with reducing the response time when you input the throttle. However, this might cause the some negative effects such as the engine reving up to the point that the aircraft won't sit still even with idle throttle.

Increase the HP might not do any good. I tried that many times and it still comes to the same conclusion: Over reving, Plane can't hold still, powerfull torque effects, etc.

This takes me to one last thing: Torque. This is one thing you gotta watch out for. When I decreased the Gear-Reduction on my Enzo Ferrari, it caused my model to either pull too much, too often on one side, or bad torque effects [the visual model might spin out when it leaves the ground - ex:when my Ferrari fell off a cliff].

As you can see, tunning the dynamics files will always cause problems one way or the other. Sometimes, the problems are unexplainable.

Other than that, I can't help any further. The rest is up the those who deal with aircraft development.

Hmmmm, so it ain't easy.....
But, your information so far is pretty usefull to me!
Thank you for your time!

Well, i hope more people reply on this topic, because i really won't to make it work.

Every info is welcome!

Why not use a copy of an air file from another aircraft with the performance you are looking for, thinking of something like a Piper Saratoga or Piper Mirage - obviously the weights and dimensions will be out but close enough to be able to "tweak" for your Cessna.  Of course this is considering use is restricted to yourself only, as any redistributed files ought to be okay'd by the original author beforehand.  

you probably will have to tweak with the lift effectiveness as well...

the cessna's wings are designed to fly well at 90/120KTS when you push it to 200+ KTS the wings will deflect so much air that the aircraft will become very unstable

so you may have to decrease the lift settings a bit... but remember this will mean faster speeds for everything (stall, landing, rotate)

if you do use another airfile, this wont be necessary though...

c ya

Moach

This is very nice. All of this info is very usefull!
I didn't dare to just copy and paste another .air file yet.
And it's for personal use only, indeed.
That part from the wing-settings sounds very logical, why didn't i think of that myself?
(Because i'm a nOOb, and didn't know, where to start.... )
Thanks you all for the info, i will see what i can do with it!
I will post the results here later on!