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Landing Gears

PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 3:54 pm
by Matrix
Just a few questions about landing gears.
1) I want to add more realism to my landings by making the shocks of the gear compress when I land. The main gear is a spring steel gear and the nose gear has a pneumatic oleo.
2)I'd like to make the nose gear steerable and I'm not sure what the tag is for it

Any help would be appreciated
Thanks

Re: Landing Gears

PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 6:53 pm
by andyjohnston.net
You will have to use multiple parts, with the one(s) showing compression names c_gear, the parent to the steerable section of the wheel will be c_wheelsteer

Re: Landing Gears

PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 2:58 pm
by Travis
NOT c_wheelsteer.

Name the steerable wheel part "rudder02".  It won't need any animation, and will work exactly like the rudder.

Re: Landing Gears

PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 6:14 pm
by Matrix
Both c_wheelsteer and rudder02 work great. But now with regards to the main gear, do I have to use keyframe animation to show the compression (set no compression at frame 0 and full compression at frame 100?) I'm not quite sure about this, but I thought I saw something in some .AIR files that I've looked at about setting the compression of the landing gear.... ???

Re: Landing Gears

PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 6:29 pm
by andyjohnston.net
Frames 100-200 are for compression..

Re: Landing Gears

PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 1:34 am
by Milton
For clarification, ...

frame 0 is gear retracted
frame 100 is gear fully extended with suspension hanging
frame 200 is suspension fully compressed.

Frames 1-100 is used to animate gear extension/retraction.
Frames 100-200 is used to animate the suspension.

If your aircraft has significant travel from hanging to static compression (like a Dash 7 or Dash 8 with around 18"), please ensure that you model that kind of movement.

Re: Landing Gears

PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 2:15 pm
by Matrix
Hi Milton,

You mentioned something about setting the contact points to match the compression. How do you do that?

Re: Landing Gears

PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 2:37 pm
by Milton
In contact points 1 and 2, you must set static compression (in feet) to equal the movement you want from hanging gear to static compression position with aircraft fully loaded.

Example:

You have animated gear movement in the model to 24" (frames 100-200).

In FS, you want 18" of that to be hanging gear to static compression movement and the remaining 6" to be available for hard touchdowns and suspension.

In contact points 1 and 2 for the main gear, static compression would be stated at 1.5' and max-static ratio stated at 1.333.  Set damping around .85 to start.  (do not overstate total movement)

Test with full load and then with minimum load adjusting vertical distance to ground and damping as required.  

Re: Landing Gears

PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 6:26 pm
by Matrix
When I tried to animate the gear between frames 100 and 200 it turned out like I had animated frames 0 to 200. I tried to add a key frame but couldn't figure out how.
Also, when you mean contact point 1 and 2 do you mean two separate contact points for the same point?

Re: Landing Gears

PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 12:24 am
by Milton
Try adding a Position key at 0, then a Position and Rotation key at 100, then a Rotation key at 200.

Re: Landing Gears

PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 2:06 pm
by Gnome
Hi Milton,
That GMAX example of your Dash 7 gear animation really helped me to understand it all and I keep it handy for reference.


Kev

Re: Landing Gears

PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 2:50 pm
by Milton
Thanks Kev. :-)  Three years ago when I started the Dash 7 project, little was known about animation and modeling aircraft in gMax for FS.  Fortunately there were a few pioneers who blazed the trails and did the hard research and through trial and error came up with some basics.  A lot of credit must go to Chris File for his early tutorials in animation and lighting.

FSAlpha/FSEdge was instrumental in teaching me how to map and texture.  Finn Neuik's awesome videos really helped with other techniques.

These are the guys who were instrumental in my struggle and  understanding of these things.  I am deeply grateful for their early work.