Wow...M$ and Apple just stopped to the same leve!

[GunnerMan]

Yeah everyone I talk too that as a Zen has no probs and if battery dies I can buy a ew one not need to ship t anywhere. Apple is a joke, I saw them advertising "Whether browsing through photos or playing UT 2004 the 32 MB ATI graphics card will give you the best of quality." That ad alone makes me never want to see an apple again besides all the Apple ppl I know are stuck up and when I ask them why Apples are better they plainly say PCs are often flimsy.... Ipod, Apple? Aint happenin here

[the_autopilot]

Zen is one of the latest and best out there.

Ipod is one of the first out and far from the best.

[Woodlouse2002]

Zen is one of the latest and best out there.

Ipod is one of the first out and far from the best.

Maybe so. But the scroll wheel on the ipod and the menu layout beats the Zen by a long way. And as far as sound quality goes, inless you are some sort of machine I really don't think anyone can tell any real difference.

[GWSimulations]

If Still under warranty-Take it back and complain.

If not-Cut it open, and disconnect the wires to the power source. Then solder them back into place.

[the_autopilot]

Maybe so. But the scroll wheel on the ipod and the menu layout beats the Zen by a long way. And as far as sound quality goes, inless you are some sort of machine I really don't think anyone can tell any real difference.

A soundphile can easily tell the difference. I can.

The bit rate of some of the lower end ipods is just atrocious.

[Stormtropper]

Well, just an update...I got both problems fixed...about 2 weeks ago

I think the Zen Micro is much nicer than the iPod, but I really don't like the hard drive space, 4 gigs, heck 40 gigs isn't even enough ....but the Zen (full sized one) is plain ugly...

My iPod is still on warranty, its like a 3 year warranty, and if it breaks, I just have to send it in and they give me a brand new one, (I still got more than 2 years leff)...but I really didn't think it was worth the 50 buck shipping charge that I have to pay for a problem that I can solve...

...right now I'm tryin to see if I can mod the apple drivers to fix this crashing problem...but I have no idea wether its legal or not...

[the_autopilot]

Its not illegal, but you do break the license agreement.

Technically, when a license agreement is broken, the product it protects is destroyed in accordence with the agreement (read the eula).

However, who is gonna find out...

[Stormtropper]

Shhhhh....!

Now we don't want them fruitcakes to be finding out about this now do we