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Reply #15 - Feb 25th, 2004 at 8:13pm
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I am running some things in the back ground that i cant shut down like my anti virus and fire wall.if i did shut those things off i could probley do better with the clouds.but maybe one day i can get one of those hotrod video cards that some are raveing about.but next in line for my upgrade will be a faster processor.and ill be smart and wait for the price drop on the cards then pick up a better one.so with all that said gents keep the dirty side down unless your flying one of those hotrod airplanes. Grin
 
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Reply #16 - Feb 26th, 2004 at 3:50am

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If you don't want to pay loads of money you can get a Radeon 9600 (non se) for £14 more than an Fx5200 and a Radeon 9600 is 3x faster than an Fx5200.
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Reply #17 - Feb 26th, 2004 at 9:38am

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I agree....with 9600 prices down this low they are a steal. I have run both ATI and Nvidia cards.  The cards I have used all did credible jobs.  As usual Nvidia drivers were always well behaved while working with the ATI drivers was like being in a fight.  BUT....one thing keeps me with ATI...every test report on video cards that run a version of MS Flight Sim as part of the test show ATI runs it better than Nvidia cards. This is not new...ATI has run MSFS better for at least a couple of video card generations. The test results show it's not a 1% or 2% edge but as much as 10% or more.

I am running a 9600XT at the moment and the frame rates are very good with everything but Clouds to the max. I backed off the Cloud detail about 20% I guess.

Seeing as how FS2002 & FS2004 are the only games I use on my pc it was an easy choice to make.

Oh yes, I run the Omega drivers.

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Reply #18 - Feb 26th, 2004 at 2:32pm

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so its safe to say if i get the ATI 9800pro it will run a lot better than the FX5200 i have in my system now right.
 
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Reply #19 - Feb 26th, 2004 at 2:47pm

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so its safe to say if i get the ATI 9800pro it will run a lot better than the FX5200 i have in my system now right.

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Reply #20 - Feb 26th, 2004 at 7:42pm

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and i take it i will have to upgrade my power supply from my 250watt that came with my dell? I have also heard you need to get a new power supply through dell is this true?
 
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Reply #21 - Feb 26th, 2004 at 8:58pm

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Yes Bijan,

You definitely would have to get a bigger Power Supply. Depending on how many optical and hard drives you have in the machine.

If you just have say: one hard drive and one or two CD drives, you could get away with a 350 watt PS.

Here is a little calculator that will give you a rough idea where to start.

http://www.jscustompcs.com/power_supply/

Bare in mind that this calculator bases it's calculations on everything drawing max. at the same time, which in the real world is unlikely.

and as Dell is proprietary, I seriously doubt if a standard Power Supply would fit in a Dell case, but you could check on that with them.
 
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Reply #22 - Feb 27th, 2004 at 5:22am

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It calculates things about 40% too high.  It seems it also includes the 5v suspend mode with the AMD chip which is strange.  This makes the AMD chip appear higher than it should.
 

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Reply #23 - Feb 27th, 2004 at 10:11am

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You shouldn't need to lock the FPS with a 3ghz cpu either.


it is advisable to lock the fps to say 30 or so for the following reasons

to relieve strain on the card by having a constant fps and also the human eye can only register 20 fps or so.. any more than that and its a waste so its pretty much pointless having 100 fps as this just causes the graphics card to work harder to display the thing.. i have mine locked at 25 and thats where it stays all the time with all settings maxed
 

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Reply #24 - Feb 27th, 2004 at 12:36pm

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That does make sense putting it at 25-30. Now for one last question   Grin How much of a difference would it be if i got the ATI 9800pro with 128mb vs. a card with 256mb?
 
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Reply #25 - Feb 27th, 2004 at 8:48pm

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it is advisable to lock the fps to say 30 or so for the following reasons

to relieve strain on the card by having a constant fps and also the human eye can only register 20 fps or so.. any more than that and its a waste so its pretty much pointless having 100 fps as this just causes the graphics card to work harder to display the thing.. i have mine locked at 25 and thats where it stays all the time with all settings maxed


Stop with the human eye and 20 FPS nonsense.  This needs to be on an episode of "Mythbusters".  My eye, can tell a considerable difference between 20 FPS and 30 FPS in FS.
 

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Reply #26 - Feb 27th, 2004 at 8:50pm

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I love when people claim something is a myth but can never find evidence proving the contrary.  LOL
 

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Reply #27 - Feb 27th, 2004 at 8:53pm

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I think Congo has had a bad experiance with the 5200. But don't tease too much or that damn card comparison chart will show itself again Grin Grin

I have the 5200 running on a basic Dell Dimension 4500 computer with a extra 512MB of RAM as my only other upgrade and it rocks!!
I have all the settings close to maxed out and I get a consistent frame rate even with clouds maxed out completly!! So it is obvious that they work different on different computers, just because the card sucks on one doesn't mean it will on another!
I also think it has allot to do with what other programs you have that may be running in the background (and with XP there is allot of stuff running without you knowing it) I shut down everything while flying maybe that is why I can max out my clouds with absolutly little or no drop in frame rates. I also have my FPS locked at 30.

I think that it is all in the mind, if you spend a fortune on a grapics card your mind makes you think you sim is running better than the guy that paid less than $100. Grin Grin
Hell the way companies work today it is probably the same damn card as my measly little 5200, but came in a different box with a higher price Grin Grin Grin Grin


Well, I happen to know Bijan and we recently networked our computers together in the same room after setting his computer up to run FS.  It wasn't too hard to tell the difference in performance on both machines.  While he has a much better processor than I do, he is obviously being held back by his video card.  I went all out and spent bank on my ATI 9800 Pro and I soon learned that was the best decision I made when building my computer.  There is a HUGE difference in both image quality, and performance between his card and mine.  While he was sitting at around 10 FPS, I was getting 28-30 consistently in the exact same scenario.
 

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Reply #28 - Feb 27th, 2004 at 8:58pm

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I love when people claim something is a myth but can never find evidence proving the contrary.  LOL



Haha ok, well in my defense, evidence is rarely provided by the claim in the first place.  There have actually been a few topics regarding this issue, and I really don't feel like searching...anyway, I think it's a false claim and I have found evidence to back that in the past...I'll post it if I ever come across it again.  In the meantime, I will continue flying with the sim locked at 30 FPS rather than 20 because not only do I notice a difference, but because I can.  Wink
 

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Reply #29 - Feb 27th, 2004 at 10:39pm

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That does make sense putting it at 25-30. Now for one last question   Grin How much of a difference would it be if i got the ATI 9800pro with 128mb vs. a card with 256mb?


From what I've read 256 will not make much difference at all but will when the next generation of 3D games start hitting the shelves in the next year or more.

Somebody pointed out most 256 meg cards use slower memory than their 128 meg brothers which is most likely why we don't see much between the 2 cards.

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