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Message started by Fly2e on Dec 11th, 2007 at 8:44am

Title: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by Fly2e on Dec 11th, 2007 at 8:44am
A few people wanted to know a good process for un-installing FSX, SP1, Sp2 & Acceleration and then how to reinstall it.
By doing this process you will get a clean install and a fresh new FSX. You should see much better results if you follow this procedure.


1. Un-installed FSX.
2. Install FSX Deluxe
3. Fire up the sim and let it complete the install and boot the default flight.
4. Close the sim.
5. Reboot the computer.
6. Install Acceleration which automatically installs SP1 and SP2.!
7. Boot the sim and allow it to complete the install and boot the default flight.
8. Close the sim.
9. De-fragment the hard drive(s) & perform normal clean ups of machine.




Title: Clean FSX & Acceleration Install in DETAIL!
Post by Fly2e on Dec 11th, 2007 at 9:30am

The below post is from Nick N. and is a bit more detailed...

Yes, with the changes SP2 incorporates, you all need to be careful of editing the FSX.cfg file.
Many of the tweaks used in the past, like what happened with SP1, are no longer helping the sim and in many respects cause problems. The only tweaks that should be looked at are ones that are designed for dual/quad core, the light scale for the airports, the tweak which removes the sims ability to preload the default flight and only if the system is very slow, perhaps work with the added autogen lines, but otherwise Aces did a bang-up job of getting FSX to run without having to tweak the config as of SP2



And yes, a clean install getting rid of the old install and allowing FSX to update as
Aces intended with SP2/Accell is the best way to go.


1. Install RTM, fire up the sim and let it complete the install and boot the default flight.
2. Close the sim

If you have the Deluxe version and want the SDK installed, install it off the DVD now.

3. Reboot the computer
4. Install Acceleration which will install SP1 and SP2 automatically. Boot the sim and allow it to complete the install and boot the default flight.
5. Close the sim

If you want the Acceleration SDK install it from the disk.

6. Reboot the computer

Make sure you have the latest DirectX installed.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=2da43d38-db71-4c1b-bc6a-9b6652cd92a3&displaylang=en

Make sure you have the C++ library update installed.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=32bc1bee-a3f9-4c13-9c99-220b62a191ee&displaylang=en
(Many add-ons install this update now automatically. I believe Acceleration does too)

8. Start the sim, set up the sliders/checkboxes as you had them. Close the sim
9. Install your addons one at a time, reboot in between and make sure you have the updates for them.


DO NOT MIGRATE the FSX.cfg file you have!
Use it to copy/paste edits but do not overwrite the new file.
The best tweaks are now all in Windows setup and the correct use of O&O Defrag!




Here is a list of the ONLY areas one may wish to work with




UPPER_FRAMERATE_LIMIT=? You will need to experiment with your FPS setting.


WideViewAspect=True (FALSE if you do not have a wide screen monitor)


[JOBSCHEDULER]
AffinityMask=xx <----- affinity mask not needed for single core.. leave this entire section out except for quad core and in some cases dual core.


[MAIN]
HideInfoText=1 <---- gets rid of the mag, brakes and other info on the screen (optional)
DisablePreload=1 <--- a Must in order to offload the memory from the default flight and not allow FSX to double load on boot.


[DISPLAY]
TEXTURE_BANDWIDTH_MULT=70 <----- I would be cautious with this after SP2. Try 50 to 90
keep in mind FSX is not FS9. Although the max Texture Bandwidth Multiplier can go to 400 like FS9, to do so is suicide in FSX. I would say most should be somewhere around 40-90 MAX.
(See illustration below)


[TERRAIN]
SWAP_WAIT_TIMEOUT=37 <---- NOTE: With changes to SP2 this setting enabled in the config may cause problems there is a scale used for SP1 as follows:



TBM - Texture Bandwidth Multiplier
SWTO = Swap Wait Timeout  

TBM - SWTO
  190 - 25
  180 - 26
  170 - 27
  160 - 28
  150 - 29
  140 - 30
  130 - 31
  120 - 32
  110 - 33
  100 - 34
    90 - 35
    80 - 36
    70 - 37 <----- try this first.
    60 - 38
    50 - 39
    40 - 40  

With SP2 I am no longer using the SWAP_WAIT_TIMEOUT= line above however I have not tested all circumstances yet. You may wish to leave it out of the config and keep the Texture bandwidth multiplier at the FSX default when it created the file.




TERRAIN_MAX_AUTOGEN_TREES_PER_CELL=xxx
TERRAIN_MAX_AUTOGEN_BUILDINGS_PER_CELL=xxxx
Default is 4500 trees and 3000 buildings... it can be raised to max of 6000/6000 or reduced as desired.
I do not use these lines at all anymore and just leave them out.

[BUFFERPOOLS]
Poolsize=8000000 <-----NOTE: 8000000 is for a 8800 card. A 256mb card may only be able to handle 5000000. The default is 4000000. This is another area you may wish to leave out or test. It will have an affect on the turns and panning smoothness but it does lock the video memory from using 5, 8, 10MB for anything other than the buffer cache so if you are short on video memory this may be an issue. The raised the default to 4000000 in SP1.


Proper driver upgrades and proper setup of the drivers with Nhancer is a must!
http://forums.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1163028653/165#171

Why? because if you don't, Nvidia driver profiles REMOVE your ability to change driver settings and FSX settings so no matter what you set in the drivers, Nvidia OVERRRIDES them and FORCES your card to run the way they want it to run, which is BULL on their part. As soon as you boot FSX or FS9, or any other game in the list, the Nvidia drivers override the settings you made and change them without you knowing.


That's not Aces fault and neither are the driver issues FSX displays right now.


Title: Clean FSX & Acceleration Install
Post by NickN on Dec 11th, 2007 at 10:35am
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The Windows Tweaks and the use of support software such as O&O Defrag that I listed in another thread

http://forums.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb25/YaBB.pl?num=1208959973


... which has been widely used for some time now are for Windows XP SP2, (the full version) and NOT for Windows XP SP1 and NOT for Windows Vista. They can also be applied to Windows XP x64.


Also, BE CAREFUL with the use of driver cleaning programs like I posted in another thread. You DO NOT NEED TO clean the motherboard drivers, only the video drivers,...  and I DID POST not to flush motherboard drivers unless you intend to upgrade them, and only do it after they have been PROPERLY uninstalled from Add/Remove Programs, first.


I do not use Windows Vista for FSX. DX10 was a preview, not a complete re-write. In my opinion Vista needs another service pack past SP1 in January of next year and a lot of driver upgrades before I will find value in using it for graphics performance. That is my opinion and it does not mean what you may be running is bad. It means I prefer to work with the OS and format which are still very much dominating with the least issues and the best overall results.


BE AWARE, Windows XP x32 Will be getting SERVICE PACK 3 in January when Vista gets Service Pack 1


UNTIL VISTA SP1 IS RELEASED, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ALL THE UPDATES NEEDED TO CORRECT VISTA ISSUES.

John Howard posted a list of them here and Phil Taylor also added to this thread: http://forums.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb25/YaBB.pl?num=1188591122/0

Windows Update will probably add those updates but make sure you have them. Once VISTA SP1 is released they will come in the update with other fixes.




A few other things I wish to point out.....

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Do not defrag after uninstalling. Defrag runs are the absolute LAST steps taken after all software has been installed and set up, and, all add-ons have been installed.



2.
For those of you usi

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by NickN on Dec 12th, 2007 at 11:15am
WARNING:
HEADS UP ON THE LATEST NVIDIA BETA DRIVERS!


Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by NickN on Dec 14th, 2007 at 10:09am


Steve Halpern over at Flight 1 has posted a nice write up about VISTA and how to correctly deal with it. The security systems in VISTA can make your life miserable. You can install something and it not work correctly even though it seemed to install fine. Unlike XP which is pretty strait forward, its important you understand VISTA and how to set up the OS



http://www.flight1.com/view.asp?page=vista

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by NickN on Dec 14th, 2007 at 4:39pm


SP2 without Acceleration is now LIVE


http://blogs.msdn.com/ptaylor/archive/2007/12/14/fsx-sp2-is-available-for-download.aspx


Shared Cockpits will now function in mutiplayer between users running Accleration and SP2 (without Acceleration)

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by NickN on Dec 15th, 2007 at 1:47pm


For those of you running FSX without Acceleration, here is a list to follow should you wish to clean install. It is the same routine as installing Accleration with a few differences:



1. Install RTM, fire up the sim and let it complete the install and boot the default flight.
2. Close the sim
 
If you have the Deluxe version and want the SDK installed, install it off the DVD now.
 
3. Reboot the computer

4. Install SP1. Boot the sim and allow it to complete the install and boot the default flight.  
5. Close the sim
 
If you want the SDK install the SDK SP1a.

6. Reboot the computer

7. Install SP2. Boot the sim and allow it to complete the install and boot the default flight.  
8. Close the sim

9. Reboot the computer

Make sure you have the latest DirectX installed.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=2da43d38-db71-4c1b-bc6a-9b6652cd92a3&displaylang=en

Make sure you have the C++ library update installed.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=32bc1bee-a3f9-4c13-9c99-220b62a191ee&displaylang=en
(Many add-ons install this update now automatically. I believe Acceleration does too)

8. Start the sim, set up the sliders/checkboxes as you had them. Close the sim
9. Install your addons one at a time, reboot in between and make sure you have the updates for them.

 
DO NOT MIGRATE the FSX.cfg file you have!
Use it to copy/paste edits but do not overwrite the new file.  
The best tweaks are now all in Windows setup and the correct use of O&O Defrag!


You may review drivers/settings and other factors about installing/uising FSX in the original posts above


http://forums.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb25/YaBB.pl?num=1197380641/0#1


http://forums.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb25/YaBB.pl?num=1197380641/0#2



Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by NickN on Dec 18th, 2007 at 9:39pm
Flight1 has released a FIX for older FS9 aircraft in SP2/Accleration that have VC rain issues and cause the glass to wash out to blue or other colors.


Quote:
If you have been paying attention to any of the recent threads you are probably aware that SP2 has broken FS9 SDK created aircraft with respect to visibility out of the windscreen in the VC when it is raining. It will render the windscreen a solid blue \ turquoise color.

I believe we have a remedy in the form of a utility that we have created. When you run it, it will replace the affected FSX textures with new ones (No, not the FS9 ones, they are our own) and it will back up your existing FSX textures. Restoring those textures is as easy as clicking on the "restore" button.

It appears to restore visibility to FS9 > FSX aircraft and does not appear to harm the FSX SDK created aircraft in any way.

You may use it, upload it, include it, whatever... but all we ask is that you give us credit.


Run the tool and it will fix the VC rain and cockpit windows for FS9 aircraft


http://www.flight1software.com/fsxtools/f1_fsx_vcrainfix.exe


It back up your original files and will allow a restore

You now have your windows clear and working

NOTE: THIS FIX DOES NOT MAKE FSX-FS9 AIRCRAFT HAVE VC RAIN FX, ONLY FIX THE WINDSHIELD PROBLEM. DO NOT RUN THIS TOOL IF YOU WANT TO RESTORE VC RAIN FX TO FS9 AIRCRAFT

If you want VC RAIN to work in FS9 aircraft that have the ability, do not run this tool, instead download the add-on vcrain.zip, rlvcrain.zip which contain modified and the orignal backup vc rain textures for FS9 and work in FSX. Install the FS9 default textures and your VC rain will return to FS9 planes

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by NickN on Dec 19th, 2007 at 8:54am
For those of you who are experiencing the following:


Flashing textures
Black flashing spikes
Flickering taxiways/fences and textures
Loss of lights or boxes appearing instead of lights
Loss of progressive taxi arrows  
Crash when accessing the menus
Screen Whiteout or Washout
Intermittent poor performance under certain conditions



Please read here:  http://forums.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb25/YaBB.pl?num=1198072357

Latest drivers as of today are 169.25 beta. You should keep your drivers up to date as Nvidia is releasing 2 a week right now

You can get the latest Beta release from a trusted source, Guru3D.com


Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by NickN on Dec 20th, 2007 at 1:39pm
The new SP2 SDK is now LIVE


http://download.microsoft.com/download/3/C/A/3CAD9417-A0BE-4892-9224-4A4479F9F633/sdk.msi


NOTE: IF YOU WANT ACCELERATION -AND- SP2 SDK SUPPORT YOU MUST INSTALL THIS FILE BUT DO NOT INSTALL THE SDK FROM THE ACCELERATION DISK

Examples:

If you want SDK support for Acceleration only, use the SDK from the install CD

If you want suppot for BOTH SP2 and Acceleration you MUST SKIP the Acceleration SDK install from the CD, make sure SP1a SDK is installed, THEN run the new SP2 SDK installer posted above

If you already installed the Acceleration SDK and you want the upgraded dual support, you must UNINSTALL the Acceleration SDK and install the file above over SDK  SP1a




UPDATE:

Phil Taylor has confirmed the FSinsider Website is generic in its instructions


Quote:
the FSInsider advice is generic and not meant to address the special case of authoring for both SP2 and Acceleration.


So therefore my original instructions above are indeed correct. If you wish to have the SDK installed which targets BOTH Acceleration and SP2, you must uninstall the Acceleration SDK, leaving SP1a in the system and then install the SP2 SDK just released.





Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by NickN on Dec 21st, 2007 at 11:02am
More Reflective Water in SP2-Accleration (either one but not SP1) Here: http://forums.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb25/YaBB.pl?num=1197128602#4

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by NickN on Jan 4th, 2008 at 10:59pm

Important Update for the C++ library, SP1

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=200B2FD9-AE1A-4A14-984D-389C36F85647&displaylang=en

Install it!

X64 version here: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=EB4EBE2D-33C0-4A47-9DD4-B9A6D7BD44DA&displaylang=en

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by NickN on Jan 6th, 2008 at 12:02pm


Issues with props and older FS9 aircraft...



Phil Taylor has provided a nice little writeup on the prop issue and how to fix

http://blogs.msdn.com/ptaylor/archive/2007/12/31/how-to-upgrade-the-propellers-in-fs9-aircraft-for-fsx-sp2.aspx

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by NickN on Jan 6th, 2008 at 12:53pm


Phil Taylor has blogged again with an update about the "Blurries" (blurry ground textures in flight)

You can review his blog on the subject and the comments I made about it here (scroll down for my comment on the subject):

http://blogs.msdn.com/ptaylor/archive/2008/01/04/four-points-about-fsx-blurries-and-service-packs.aspx

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by Texoma on Jun 19th, 2008 at 7:36pm
This appears to be the best place to ask this question.

I see documentation that says if you are going to install Acceleration, then you do not need to install SP1 and SP2.

What if you want to install Acceleration, and you already have SP1 and SP2 installed?   Will that screw anything up?

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by NickN on Jun 19th, 2008 at 10:20pm

Texoma wrote on Jun 19th, 2008 at 7:36pm:
This appears to be the best place to ask this question.

I see documentation that says if you are going to install Acceleration, then you do not need to install SP1 and SP2.

What if you want to install Acceleration, and you already have SP1 and SP2 installed?   Will that screw anything up?



No. If memory serves, Acceleration should detect SP2 and uninstall it automatically before installing the SP2 included with Acceleration

in any case, it should not be a problem however one of the reasons that list was posted is because people who had SP1/SP2 installed and then installed Acceleration were finding performance issues.. why was never discovered, so the lists were posted for those who wished to clean install.


I would go ahead and install it and if you find problems and issues with performace, you may need to consider the same direction as the lists. But do make sure to defrag before making any assesments




Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by 7X7-800 on Jul 11th, 2008 at 10:00am
When installing FSX to a dedicated disc, are there any programs besides the UTX series that must be loaded onto the same drive? More specifically, where should I put terrain mesh and a program like REX?

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by NickN on Jul 11th, 2008 at 11:59am

7X7-800 wrote on Jul 11th, 2008 at 10:00am:
When installing FSX to a dedicated disc, are there any programs besides the UTX series that must be loaded onto the same drive? More specifically, where should I put terrain mesh and a program like REX?



Mesh is up to you and the developer who desinged it. It can be installed elsewhere and accessed by the scenery library. I do however install FSGenesis 10m mesh into FSX

As for support programs.. REX is not on the market and I have no idea how it works so i can not advise on that. FEX and GEX however are only database programs that send textures and files to FSX so they should go somewhere other than the FSX drive to conserve space

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by 7X7-800 on Jul 11th, 2008 at 12:04pm
Thanks!

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by Limpex on Oct 12th, 2008 at 8:48pm
Good job..

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by sandrin on Oct 16th, 2008 at 2:54pm
Hi,

I just purchased FSX and I install it on my computer. I did install SP1 and I have an on board ATI video card. I do experience flashing screen and sometimes the game is just shutting down itself...
I spoke with tech support from Microsoft and they told me that a better video card may solve the problem.
I will install SP2 as well (I didn't know about it until now) and I also ordered a BFG GeForce 7600GS 256mb OC PCI-Express Video Card.

Do you guys think that will solve my problems?

Cheers!

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by sandrin on Oct 16th, 2008 at 3:57pm

NickN wrote on Dec 15th, 2007 at 1:47pm:
For those of you running FSX without Acceleration, here is a list to follow should you wish to clean install. It is the same routine as installing Accleration with a few differences:



1. Install RTM, fire up the sim and let it complete the install and boot the default flight.
2. Close the sim
 
If you have the Deluxe version and want the SDK installed, install it off the DVD now.
 
3. Reboot the computer

4. Install SP1. Boot the sim and allow it to complete the install and boot the default flight.  
5. Close the sim
 
If you want the SDK install the SDK SP1a.

6. Reboot the computer

7. Install SP2. Boot the sim and allow it to complete the install and boot the default flight.  
8. Close the sim

9. Reboot the computer

Make sure you have the latest DirectX installed.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=2da43d38-db71-4c1b-bc6a-9b6652cd92a3&displaylang=en

Make sure you have the C++ library update installed.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=32bc1bee-a3f9-4c13-9c99-220b62a191ee&displaylang=en
(Many add-ons install this update now automatically. I believe Acceleration does too)

8. Start the sim, set up the sliders/checkboxes as you had them. Close the sim
9. Install your addons one at a time, reboot in between and make sure you have the updates for them.

 
DO NOT MIGRATE the FSX.cfg file you have!
Use it to copy/paste edits but do not overwrite the new file.  
The best tweaks are now all in Windows setup and the correct use of O&O Defrag!


You may review drivers/settings and other factors about installing/uising FSX in the original posts above


http://forums.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1197380641/0#1


http://forums.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1197380641/0#2



Hi,

You used RTM, sim and SDK in your description.

Can you please tell me what that means..... sorry if the question may look retarded but I just want to make sure I understand.... Thanks

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by truck911 on Oct 16th, 2008 at 7:55pm

sandrin wrote on Oct 16th, 2008 at 3:57pm:
[quote author=NickN link=1197380641/0#6 date=1197744475]

Hi,

You used RTM, sim and SDK in your description.

Can you please tell me what that means..... sorry if the question may look retarded but I just want to make sure I understand.... Thanks


RTM, is the FSX install discs.  Really means released to maunufacture or released to marketing.  This expression is the inside developers lingo, is used to describe the released version of the software as opposed to beta or trial version.  Another  term to the end user would be GA, denoting general avilabilty (which is you and me) since we are neither manufacturing or marketing the product or boxed version.

SDK, is contained in the Delux version only and means software development kit.  These are tools or information that tells (in this case) plane developers or scenery developers how to interface with the program.


Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by sandrin on Oct 17th, 2008 at 8:23am

truck911 wrote on Oct 16th, 2008 at 7:55pm:

sandrin wrote on Oct 16th, 2008 at 3:57pm:
[quote author=NickN link=1197380641/0#6 date=1197744475]

Hi,

You used RTM, sim and SDK in your description.

Can you please tell me what that means..... sorry if the question may look retarded but I just want to make sure I understand.... Thanks


RTM, is the FSX install discs.  Really means released to maunufacture or released to marketing.  This expression is the inside developers lingo, is used to describe the released version of the software as opposed to beta or trial version.  Another  term to the end user would be GA, denoting general avilabilty (which is you and me) since we are neither manufacturing or marketing the product or boxed version.

SDK, is contained in the Delux version only and means software development kit.  These are tools or information that tells (in this case) plane developers or scenery developers how to interface with the program.

Thank you for the clarification!

What about sim? does it stand for simulator?

Cheers

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by NickN on Oct 17th, 2008 at 3:35pm

Sim = Simulator

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by sandrin on Oct 18th, 2008 at 10:23am
Hi guys,

I did follow the install as you described it. The install was ok.
I did update my DirectX and C++.
I have a problem
I get flashing screen when I am trying to open the controls for lights, engine, gps, etc. :'(
This is my system:
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+ 2.30 GHz
RAM 2.00 GB
BFG GeForce 7600GS 256mb OC PCI-Express Video Card

Any sugestions??? :-?

Thanks,


Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by NickN on Oct 18th, 2008 at 10:51am

This thread is not for diagnostics of problems

However if you are asking about the white flash that occurs when you open the 2D panel, uncheck "Show Cockpit Tooltips" in the DISPLAY - AIRCRAFT TAB settings of FSX

its a know issue for 2 years with nvidia cards

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by sandrin on Oct 18th, 2008 at 2:08pm
Hey thank you so much!

You guys are awesome! I really appreciate your help with this. It is working perfectly now  :D

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by hek293 on Apr 29th, 2009 at 6:44pm
Hi NickN

Cannot thank you enough on the valuable resources and guides to get the most out of FSX.

I have a PC configuration which is quite rare nowadays. I am running FSX on a SINGLE CORE DELL Dimension 4700(5 Years old at least !!!!) (3.0GHZ) plus NVIDIA8800GT (512Mb) and 4.0GHz RAM.

Let me tell you that after following your advice FSX runs at least 20-28FPS steady on most areas with crisp sharp texture rendering quality and I have REX, GEX, UTX_USA, UTX_Europe installed on it. Really something for such a slow rig I think...

One question though.....I performed several tests and have found that when I install FSX_SP2 I am consistently getting significant performance gains compared to FSX_Acceleration installation.

Know why?


EG


Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by NickN on Apr 29th, 2009 at 7:55pm

no clue other than the fact that acceleration does install a few different files than the stand alone SP2 and it also installs a PILE of addon which requires more attention to defrag maintenance

Perhaps your old hardware does not like them

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by Frequent Flyer on Nov 10th, 2009 at 9:45am
Hey Nick (and sorry for grave digging),
When installing FSX+Acceleration instead of FSX+SP1+SP2, do I need to uninstall the service packs separately or do they uninstall automatically when I uninstall FSX (via add or remove programs).

Also, is there a limit of how many times I can install FSX or can I uninstall and re-install as many times as I want?

Thanks!

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by NickN on Nov 12th, 2009 at 10:48am
There are several different way FSX installs.

RTM (Main DVD)
SP1
SP2
or
Acceleration

When you enter add and remove programs, click the box "SHOW UPDATES"

That will EXPAND the install and show you the updates.

You can then check to see if there is a button to remove the updates or not. If there is, then reverse the process and uninstall clean starting with the SP being shown and continue till all updates and the main program is removed.

If there is no "uninstall" button available for the update and the only one available is for the main FSX install, then use it instead which will remove everything at once. But as I posted above there can be differences because of the different SP's involved. I know with Acceleration its a ONE SHOT uninstall of everything but with the service packs and without Accel you would be wise to check and do it as I listed above removing the SP's first.


There is no limit to installing FSX on the same machine. and if you were ever queried for a new install code then you simply call and get one





Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by Demious on Mar 20th, 2011 at 12:04pm
These are posts from several years ago, I asume we're talking about win vista here. By now it's 2011, I'm running win7, obvioussly, and I get quite confused already...

I just read a post on the microsoft forums: some guy asking about how to instal FSX under win7 32bit and the asnwer from support was that it isnt compatible with win7.
I looked that up in the compatability centre and there it says that indeed the 64bit version is not compatible, but from the 32 bit, it says it is.

But what's the deal now? Is it, or isnt it compatible? On my system it seems it is, provided I'm still having some minor issues. And if so, does this article still hold up or is there an updated installation instruction for win7?

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by Steve M on Mar 20th, 2011 at 12:33pm
FSX will work with 32 bit and 64 bit Win 7. I don't have Windows 7 but here is a more recent thread that might help you.
http://forums.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1299797644

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by mjrhealth on Apr 20th, 2011 at 7:53pm
FSX works fine under win7 64 or 32 bit but you cannot run 16 bit applications under 64 bit. Had an old cad progamme that wouldnt install under 64 bit because the installer is 16 bit. FSX must not be installed in the default folder under win 7 it causes security headaches, better on another drive, partition or folder outside of programme files. And you dont need any service packs with accelertion, it has a slightly different ver of sp2.

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by Daube on May 13th, 2011 at 5:25am
Somebody should delete those spam messages above... :/

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by J2Summit on May 18th, 2011 at 4:44pm
I would recommend deleting FSX, THEN DE-FRAG, then re-install.
And in the future, back up any modified aircraft before defragging, because I have lost aircraft data from defrags. Always a good idea to back up anything on your computer before a defrag. Sometimes the data just doesn't get re-writen correctly.

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by BigTruck on May 18th, 2011 at 4:50pm

Daube wrote on May 13th, 2011 at 5:25am:
Somebody should delete those spam messages above... :/


ZAP!  Done.

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by Skunkworks on May 18th, 2011 at 6:25pm

BigTruck wrote on May 18th, 2011 at 4:50pm:

Daube wrote on May 13th, 2011 at 5:25am:
Somebody should delete those spam messages above... :/


ZAP!  Done.


Thank you!  :)

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by Shakey634 on May 19th, 2011 at 5:20pm
After reading several of the posts i see that it would be advantageous to install FSX on another drive. My question is would it be necessary to uninstall FSX from the c drive before installing on the other drive. I have read all of the procedures and have a vacant drive for it.

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by DentProof on Sep 5th, 2011 at 1:21pm
I am new to fourm. What do u mean by acceleration.
I load a clean install on fsx ,sp1 then sp2 defrag etc.
Whats he difference.
Thanks
Dent

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by patchz on Sep 5th, 2011 at 2:09pm

DentProof wrote on Sep 5th, 2011 at 1:21pm:
I am new to fourm. What do u mean by acceleration.
I load a clean install on fsx ,sp1 then sp2 defrag etc.
Whats he difference.
Thanks
Dent

There are three types of FSX, Pro, Deluxe, and Gold which includes acceleration. The Acceleration pack has some aircraft, missions, and functions not in the the others.

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by DentProof on Sep 6th, 2011 at 6:52pm
Ok thanks alot understood now.
dent :)

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by cgentil on Sep 17th, 2011 at 10:31am
Good tutorial

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by PsychoDiablo on Oct 5th, 2012 at 4:35pm
Back after a few years of hibernation. Got a question that google cant seem to answer for me, those of us that accidently bought the standard edition when the game went live (facedesk) are we able to update to deluxe/ acceleration or are we stuck with what we have. Not really looking forward to rebuying the game but will if its necessary. 

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by CHUCK79 on Oct 5th, 2012 at 4:45pm
You can painlessly update with the Acceleration disk ;)

I also bought the standard edition and was disappointed that the Acceleration expansion was needed to get the FA-18 >:(

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by PsychoDiablo on Oct 5th, 2012 at 5:21pm
So this will basicly update you to the "Gold" edition right? Also thanks for the reply.

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by CHUCK79 on Oct 5th, 2012 at 5:29pm

PsychoDiablo wrote on Oct 5th, 2012 at 5:21pm:
So this will basicly update you to the "Gold" edition right? Also thanks for the reply.


Yes :)

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by PsychoDiablo on Oct 5th, 2012 at 5:30pm
Excellent, thank you.

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by Hagar on Oct 5th, 2012 at 5:31pm

CHUCK79 wrote on Oct 5th, 2012 at 5:29pm:

PsychoDiablo wrote on Oct 5th, 2012 at 5:21pm:
So this will basicly update you to the "Gold" edition right? Also thanks for the reply.


Yes :)

Are you sure about that? Does Acceleration include the extra aircraft featured in FSX Deluxe? What about the SDKs?

PS. The F/A-18 is part of Acceleration & not included with FSX Deluxe.  I suspect you could get a copy of FSX Gold edition cheaper than the Acceleration package. http://astore.amazon.com/simviation00-20/detail/B001DPZE84

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by CHUCK79 on Oct 5th, 2012 at 5:54pm

Hagar wrote on Oct 5th, 2012 at 5:31pm:

CHUCK79 wrote on Oct 5th, 2012 at 5:29pm:

PsychoDiablo wrote on Oct 5th, 2012 at 5:21pm:
So this will basicly update you to the "Gold" edition right? Also thanks for the reply.


Yes :)

Are you sure about that? Does Acceleration include the extra aircraft featured in FSX Deluxe? What about the SDKs?

PS. The F/A-18 is part of Acceleration & not included with FSX Deluxe.  I suspect you could get a copy of FSX Gold edition cheaper than the Acceleration package. http://astore.amazon.com/simviation00-20/detail/B001DPZE84



I know that the FA-18 is Acceleration.....isn't that what I said? :)

CHUCK79 wrote on Oct 5th, 2012 at 4:45pm:
I also bought the standard edition and was disappointed that the Acceleration expansion was needed to get the FA-18 >:(


And yes, Acceleration includes ALL aircraft and the SDKs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Flight_Simulator_X

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by Hagar on Oct 5th, 2012 at 6:02pm

CHUCK79 wrote on Oct 5th, 2012 at 5:54pm:
I know that the FA-18 is Acceleration.....isn't that what I said? :)


CHUCK79 wrote on Oct 5th, 2012 at 4:45pm:
I also bought the standard edition and was disappointed that the Acceleration expansion was needed to get the FA-18 >:(

Not the way I read it.


Quote:
And yes, Acceleration includes ALL aircraft and the SDKs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Flight_Simulator_X

OK, I missed that. :-[

I still think FSX Gold would be would be a better option & probably cheaper.

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by CHUCK79 on Oct 5th, 2012 at 6:08pm

Hagar wrote on Oct 5th, 2012 at 6:02pm:

CHUCK79 wrote on Oct 5th, 2012 at 5:54pm:
I know that the FA-18 is Acceleration.....isn't that what I said? :)


CHUCK79 wrote on Oct 5th, 2012 at 4:45pm:
I also bought the standard edition and was disappointed that the Acceleration expansion was needed to get the FA-18 >:(

Not the way I read it.


Quote:
And yes, Acceleration includes ALL aircraft and the SDKs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Flight_Simulator_X

OK, I missed that. :-[

I still think FSX Gold would be would be a better option & probably cheaper.


Does this help? ;)
the Acceleration expansion was needed to get the FA-18

Probably cheaper, but requires a complete reinstall :P :)

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by Hagar on Oct 5th, 2012 at 6:12pm

CHUCK79 wrote on Oct 5th, 2012 at 6:08pm:

Hagar wrote on Oct 5th, 2012 at 6:02pm:

CHUCK79 wrote on Oct 5th, 2012 at 5:54pm:
I know that the FA-18 is Acceleration.....isn't that what I said? :)


CHUCK79 wrote on Oct 5th, 2012 at 4:45pm:
I also bought the standard edition and was disappointed that the Acceleration expansion was needed to get the FA-18 >:(

Not the way I read it.


Quote:
And yes, Acceleration includes ALL aircraft and the SDKs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Flight_Simulator_X

OK, I missed that. :-[

I still think FSX Gold would be would be a better option & probably cheaper.


Does this help? ;)
the Acceleration expansion was needed to get the FA-18

Not really. It still implies that the F/A-18 is included with FSX Deluxe which it isn't. :P


Quote:
Probably cheaper, but requires a complete reinstall :P :)

OK, I accept that - providing Acceleration is still available.

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by CHUCK79 on Oct 5th, 2012 at 6:15pm
Really, Doug. I didn't even mention the word deluxe anywhere ;D Try reading it again ;)

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by Hagar on Oct 5th, 2012 at 6:24pm

CHUCK79 wrote on Oct 5th, 2012 at 6:15pm:
Really, Doug. I didn't even mention the word deluxe anywhere ;D Try reading it again ;)

I'll read it as many times as you like Chuck. It still reads the same.


Quote:
I also bought the standard edition and was disappointed that the Acceleration expansion was needed to get the FA-18


By mentioning the Standard  Edition you implied that the F/A-18 is included with Deluxe.

Never mind, this is a silly argument & not helping anyone. ;)

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by andy190 on Oct 5th, 2012 at 7:17pm

Quote:
And yes, Acceleration includes ALL aircraft and the SDKs


From your own link Chuck:


Quote:
One of the bugs, that occurs only in the Standard Edition, is the Maule Air Orion aircraft used in the mission has missing gauges and other problems, as it is a Deluxe Version-only aircraft.


In addition, Acceleration does not include the whole SDK, just an update to it:


Xpand wrote on Mar 21st, 2012 at 5:08pm:
The Accel adds nothing on the SDK... I had FSX Standart and Acceleration and the Accel SDK didn't work on itself. ACES says that the Accel SDK is the whole thing, but it isn't more than an update....

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by CHUCK79 on Oct 5th, 2012 at 7:44pm

andy190 wrote on Oct 5th, 2012 at 7:17pm:

Quote:
And yes, Acceleration includes ALL aircraft and the SDKs


From your own link Chuck:

[quote]One of the bugs, that occurs only in the Standard Edition, is the Maule Air Orion aircraft used in the mission has missing gauges and other problems, as it is a Deluxe Version-only aircraft.


In addition, Acceleration does not include the whole SDK, just an update to it:


Xpand wrote on Mar 21st, 2012 at 5:08pm:
The Accel adds nothing on the SDK... I had FSX Standart and Acceleration and the Accel SDK didn't work on itself. ACES says that the Accel SDK is the whole thing, but it isn't more than an update....
[/quote]


After all this I went and dug out my FSX box and it is actually the Deluxe version :-/
I was under the impression that I started with FSX Standard and added Acceleration. But in actaulity I had Deluxe to begin with and then added Acceleration.

So, in fact, I do not know what I'm talking about. Please disregard my ramblings :D

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by PsychoDiablo on Oct 5th, 2012 at 8:28pm
Then it seems safer (abit a few dollars more and a reinstall) just to go ahead and buy FSX Gold then. Owell could be worse, thanks fellas.

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by Hagar on Oct 6th, 2012 at 4:15am

CHUCK79 wrote on Oct 5th, 2012 at 7:44pm:
After all this I went and dug out my FSX box and it is actually the Deluxe version :-/
I was under the impression that I started with FSX Standard and added Acceleration. But in actaulity I had Deluxe to begin with and then added Acceleration.

So, in fact, I do not know what I'm talking about. Please disregard my ramblings :D

Everyone makes mistakes. Thanks to Andy for clearing this up. I knew something didn't seem right. Glad I poked my nose in now. 8-)


PsychoDiablo wrote on Oct 5th, 2012 at 8:28pm:
Then it seems safer (abit a few dollars more and a reinstall) just to go ahead and buy FSX Gold then. Owell could be worse, thanks fellas.

Yes, that's what I would do. If you hunt around I'm sure you can pick up FSX Gold for a reasonable price.

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by BE58D on Oct 7th, 2012 at 2:34am
When I installed FSX (deluxe), I wasn't able to find the versions as stated in my previous topic.  I installed SP1 & 2 and it fixed a lot of issues that I was seeming to have (Windows 7 Home Premium - 64 Bit).

Title: Re: Clean FSX, Acceleration, SP1 & SP2 Install!
Post by sebo on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 10:52am
Practical Explanation ( For Example ) :- `1st of all can you tell me every single seconds detail from that time when you born ?? ( i need every seconds detail ?? that what- what you have thought and done on every single second )

can you tell me every single detail of your `1 cheapest Minute Or your whole hour, day, week, month, year or your whole life ??

if you are not able to tell me about this life then what proof do you have that you didn't forget your past ? and that you will not forget this present life in the future ?

that is Fact that Supreme Lord Krishna exists but we posses no such intelligence to understand him.
there is also next life. and i already proved you that no scientist, no politician, no so-called intelligent man in this world is able to understand this Truth. cuz they are imagining. and you cannot imagine what is god, who is god, what is after life etc.
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for example :Your father existed before your birth. you cannot say that before your birth your father don,t exists.

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if you will show D.N.A, photo's, and many other proofs from other women then your mother. then what is use of those proofs ??} )

same you have to follow real authority. "Whatever You have spoken, I accept it," Then there is no difficulty. And You are accepted by Devala, Narada, Vyasa, and You are speaking Yourself, and later on, all the acaryas have accepted. Then I'll follow.
I'll have to follow great personalities. The same reason mother says, this gentleman is my father. That's all. Finish business. Where is the necessity of making research? All authorities accept Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. You accept it; then your searching after God is finished.

Why should you waste your time?
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all that is you need is to hear from authority ( same like mother ). and i heard this truth from authority " Srila Prabhupada " he is my spiritual master.
im not talking these all things from my own.
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in this world no `1 can be Peace full. this is all along Fact.

cuz we all are suffering in this world 4 Problems which are Disease, Old age, Death, and Birth after Birth.

tell me are you really happy ?? you can,t be happy if you will ignore these 4 main problem. then still you will be Forced by Nature.
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if you really want to be happy then follow these 6 Things which are No illicit sex, No gambling, No drugs ( No tea & coffee ), No meat-eating ( No onion & garlic's )

5th thing is whatever you eat `1st offer it to Supreme Lord Krishna. ( if you know it what is Guru parama-para then offer them food not direct Supreme Lord Krishna )

and 6th " Main Thing " is you have to Chant " hare krishna hare krishna krishna krishna hare hare hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare ".
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If your not able to follow these 4 things no illicit sex, no gambling, no drugs, no meat-eating then don,t worry but chanting of this holy name ( Hare Krishna Maha-Mantra ) is very-very and very important.

Chant " hare krishna hare krishna krishna krishna hare hare hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare " and be happy.

if you still don,t believe on me then chant any other name for 5 Min's and chant this holy name for 5 Min's and you will see effect. i promise you it works And chanting at least 16 rounds ( each round of 108 beads ) of the Hare Krishna maha-mantra daily.
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Here is no Question of Holy Books quotes, Personal Experiences, Faith or Belief. i accept that Sometimes Faith is also Blind. Here is already Practical explanation which already proved that every`1 else in this world is nothing more then Busy Foolish and totally idiot.
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Source(s):
every `1 is already Blind in this world and if you will follow another Blind then you both will fall in hole. so try to follow that person who have Spiritual Eyes who can Guide you on Actual Right Path. ( my Authority & Guide is my Spiritual Master " Srila Prabhupada " )
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