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Message started by arkieflyer on Jul 6th, 2004 at 4:21pm

Title: Can you video a flight in 2004?
Post by arkieflyer on Jul 6th, 2004 at 4:21pm
??? When flying in 2004, I know that I can save a flight and make it the default flight.  Is there a way to video the flight and replay it?  Seems like there was a way in 2002, but I havenít done it for a while.  I have made an air show and I would like to replay it from time to time without going into my saved flights.  When I go to the default flight the whole thing starts over as if it were the first time flying, not as if it were on tape or so.
I sure could use some help here, canít seem to find the answer in the game.
:)

Title: Re: Can you video a flight in 2004?
Post by 4_Series_Scania on Jul 6th, 2004 at 4:23pm
Windows Movie Maker! - Included with XP / Me - does the job nicely.

Title: Re: Can you video a flight in 2004?
Post by Hyperion on Jul 6th, 2004 at 4:50pm
Go into the menu and look for "Flight Video"...it's been a while since I've used it so maybe someone else can be more specific as to where it is.

Title: Re: Can you video a flight in 2004?
Post by arkieflyer on Jul 6th, 2004 at 6:05pm
;)  Thanks for the help, found it and all is well.  I can always count on the GREAT people here. ;)

Title: Re: Can you video a flight in 2004?
Post by 4_Series_Scania on Jul 6th, 2004 at 6:26pm

wrote on Jul 6th, 2004 at 6:05pm:
†I can always count on the GREAT people here. ;)


Oh, you don't know me yet then!  ;D  ;D  ;D

Title: Re: Can you video a flight in 2004?
Post by Iroquois on Jul 6th, 2004 at 6:32pm

wrote on Jul 6th, 2004 at 4:23pm:
Windows Movie Maker! - Included with XP / Me - does the job nicely.


How do you do that? Mine keeps asking for a video capture device. I didn't know it could be used to capture video from a program.

Title: Re: Can you video a flight in 2004?
Post by RollerBall on Jul 6th, 2004 at 8:22pm
:(

I don't think you'll find it can.

I came across a free video capture program a few weeks ago after doing a search on the Net but it didn't work for me in XP with my GeForce 3 Ti g/card - no pics just weird colours.

The only effective way to record a video in fs still appears to be Fraps. Unfortunately it's payware (something like $25 I think) but I've used it and it works really well.

Once you've created a sequence of clips using Fraps then you can use Windows Moviemaker to create your video - but you can't capture from the screen with it.

Many people make the mistake of trying to create a video using instant replay. Waste of time because you won't see or hear any other (AI) traffic. You really have to do it in 'real' time. But it's easier than it sounds because all you do is start Fraps (F9 key) with the prog running, stop Fraps (F9 again), pause the sim, change the shot (eg from cockpit to external, unpause the sim, restart Fraps and so on.

Each Fraps stop/restart creates a separate clip which you can join together with suitable transitions (dissolves etc) in Windows Moviemaker. The current version of Fraps records sound and you can overlay music if you want and add titles and stuff fairly easily.

Like most things practice makes perfect!

Just one problem. I recently did a 12 min experiemnt of an Airbus starting up, taxying and departing Teesside for Luton. Total 12 1/2 mins. Size on disk - 84 MB. So don't expect to share too many big videos with friends - unless they have mighty fast connections to download them!

PS as far as I'm aware there's no way as yet to convert videos created within fs to anything you can view outside of the sim.

Title: Re: Can you video a flight in 2004?
Post by JohnS on Jul 12th, 2004 at 7:06am
Hi there, have you managed to sort this problem? I need to get some video clips from FS2004 to use in a Powerpoint presentatation to demonstarte some concepts. Please let me know. Regrds JohnS

Title: Re: Can you video a flight in 2004?
Post by RollerBall on Jul 12th, 2004 at 7:32am
Sorry, last bit of my reply may not have been clear. I meant there is no way that you can convert videos created directly by the 'flight video' function within the sim for external use. But who'd want to because, as usual, you see no AI traffic even though it was there when you made the 'recording'.

But with Fraps, you record everything and when you've made your movie from all your clips using Windows Movie Maker, you get a wmv file that can be played in Windows Media Player or used with any m/media software.

So there's no problem - except Fraps is payware as mentioned previously.

Title: Re: Can you video a flight in 2004?
Post by Daryll on Jun 30th, 2005 at 8:04pm

What I have done is connect the video card if you have "TV out" and record it on my VCR. I then import it back in with a video capture card and edit it in MyDVD. I then burn a DVD. What I want to do instead of using a VCR is capture the video and keep it digital for quality like on another computer. I do it this way to keep the video smooth. I bought Game Cam and was disappointed because my computer (3.0 ghz) was strained and I lost the FPS which was reflected in the smoothness of the video. I do loose the detail in the panel when I use an analoge VHS tape.  

Title: Re: Can you video a flight in 2004?
Post by Sterk on Jul 2nd, 2005 at 5:09am
[quote author=RollerBall]
So there's no problem - except Fraps is payware as mentioned previously.[/quote]

I dont think that it's so big problem.Even freeware version of Fraps daz the job nicely.It's only limitation-not more then 30 sec of continuous recordind.Then you have to press f9 again to record new piece.30 sec shot-that's more than enough for good videoclip.Never use in your clips shots longer than 10-15 sec.Look at you favorite music clips or commercials-there are no shots more than 10-15 sec-otherwise it starts to look boring.
The only exception-when you shot has very intensive action or when you do "so called"-establish shot-showing a large piece of location from a long distance-which never happens in FS.

Title: Re: Can you video a flight in 2004?
Post by Hype on Jul 2nd, 2005 at 2:27pm
There seems to be quite a bit of interest in machinima (the art of making videos with PC based software) lately, so here are some easy answers for you all.

1.  Can I convert my flight videos to a format that I can edit?  No.  

2.  How can I capture video?  Fraps.  I prefer the older version, but the newer one is just fine.  Ignore the 30 second limitation.  As has been mentioned, a shot longer than 8-15 seconds is going to be boring anyway, and should NEVER be used.

3.  How can I edit the footage?  XP comes bundled with Windows Movie Maker, which is a fantastic video editing program.  It's really got just about everything you'll ever need.  But if you're looking to step it up a notch, spend a little bit of money and get a "real" video editor.  I use a combination of Pinnacle Studio 9 and Ulead Video Studio.  I've used Sony Vegas, but I don't like it.

4.  What transitions should I use.  Never, ever, ever use anything other than a dissolve, a fade to black (or sometimes white) or a hard cut.  Those cute little wipes and gimmicky fades may seem interesting, but I promise you - they're not.  (There are very few exceptions to this rule, of course.  But I think I've used one "funky" transition in all the years I've been doing film-stuff.)

5.  What about music?  Check out www.freeplaymusic.com for some awesome music for your film.  (Works best in IE.)  But please...make sure your music matches the film you're making.  Slow songs with fast transitions (or vice versa) are beyond annoying.

6.  How do I make a video smoother?  Set your simulation rate to half speed, then add a "2X" effect in "post-production".  Your videos will be substantially smoother.

Most importantly, THINK.  There's more to movie making than just capturing a bunch of crap and throwing it all toegether.  The finished product is only as good as the time and effort you put into it.  You can make a movie, or you can make a good movie.  I've seen both.  But for some reason I can only remember the details about the latter. ;)

Title: Re: Can you video a flight in 2004?
Post by Daryll on Jul 4th, 2005 at 10:58am


Since my last reply above I dug out "game cam" (pay ware) and tried it again. I configured "FS AutoStart" to start "game cam" which helps a lot in the FPS dept. during recording. Best detail for the instrument panel and scenery is to record in a resolution of 800x600 but 640x480 is good too.  I also have a headset with mic so my voice is recorded in the video. The effect is like talking over an intercom to the co-pilot. If someone was flying the sim with me that also had a headset, it would be exactly like talking to a co-pilot.

I have to disagree with your comment about length of the video if that's what you mean by a "shot".

"2.  How can I capture video?  Fraps.  I prefer the older version, but the newer one is just fine.  Ignore the 30 second limitation.  As has been mentioned, a shot longer than 8-15 seconds is going to be boring anyway, and should NEVER be used."

I use "MyDVD" to burn a sim flight to disc so I can share it with my out-of-town nephew. He can watch it on TV with his DVD player. Postage isn't that much for a CD type disc. It's a full flight from start-up to shut down with my commentary. I can get about an hour and a half on a 4.7 gig DVD. What I can't get on one DVD I just split it and burn another one. I suppose it would be boring If I couldn't visit with him via voice. Just as in a long flight, you have cockpit conversations to break up the monotony

I will say that you have to have a pretty fast machine to do it. I have a 3 gig machine, XP pro and a 9800 ATI video card with 1024 MB of ram. It really slows down in the frames per second dept. when I add rain and overcast weather. Fair weather flights aren't much of a slow down when I'm locked at 30 fps.

Title: Re: Can you video a flight in 2004?
Post by Hype on Jul 5th, 2005 at 8:25am

Quote:
I use "MyDVD" to burn a sim flight to disc so I can share it with my out-of-town nephew. He can watch it on TV with his DVD player. Postage isn't that much for a CD type disc. It's a full flight from start-up to shut down with my commentary.


There are exceptions to every rule.  This would be an example.  Depending on the age of your nephew, he could be easily interested in watching such a video.  (Though I suspect most other people in the FS Community would be asleep inside of three minutes.)

Don't forget also, that your nephew KNOWS you, so it's going to be more interesting for him than for anyone else.  (And also, not for nothing, but how do we know he's really watching them?  I'm sure he is, but you know what I mean...there's really no way to prove it.)

Make a video using the "other" concepts mentioned above....I guarantee you'll make a much more interesting video for him.


PS...Don't just fly live and record what you're doing.  Set everything up.  Nothing in filmmaking (of any type) is left up to chance.  It's all very deliberate.


Title: Re: Can you video a flight in 2004?
Post by ubntfp on Nov 4th, 2005 at 6:02am
I don't know if this is against the rules as its a link away from simviation but  I dunno how to put it on here.  I have made a 28mb video clip using FRAPS and XP Film Maker.
http://www.ubntfp.co.uk/Splash/747.htm

You can either download, watch in IE or play in win media player.  I took several shots from various angles and then cut and joined to make 28MB.  I started with over 600MB of video but thats because I wanted to try all the angles.

There is a lot of work to it, you need a resonable spec computer, mine is outdated but ok.

Definately worth it just for my own pleasure

Title: Can you video a flight in 2004?
Post by f16fightingfalcon on Nov 15th, 2005 at 3:32pm
???Dumb question. Is there any other way to take a video in fs other than fraps?

Title: Re: Can you video a flight in 2004?
Post by Daryll on Nov 15th, 2005 at 5:57pm

I guess the question now becomes, how are you planning on replaying the video. If you want to use FS9 to replay it, you can use the new recorder module by Matthias. It's alot better than the default replay/recorder. Below was from the ReadMe, enough info to find it.

******************************************
Recorder module for FS2004 version 0.72 beta
Copyright (C) 2004-2005 Matthias Neusinger

Disclaimer:
===========
Use this software on your own risk. I can not take any responsibility for problems or damage caused
by it!

This module is freeware. It may be freely distributed, as long as no money is charged for it and no
modifications are made to the package. Commercial use is not allowed without written permission of the author!
The current version is a public beta version, it is not yet fully
tested and probably contains bugs.


Installation, Usage, Support
============================
Installation, usage and support information can be found in the included PDF manual.
READ THE MANUAL BEFORE USING THE MODULE, IT INCLUDES SOME IMPORTANT NOTES TO AVOID PROBLEMS!


Changes in version 0.72
-----------------------
- the exterior and VC light problems reported by some users should be solved now
- added "clear replay data on flight or aircraft change" option to settings dialog
- added "pause at end" option to settings dialog
- added 1/8 sec recording interval (requested by a user)
- added feature to stop playback at current position (without jumping to the end)


Matthias Neusinger

Title: Re: Can you video a flight in 2004?
Post by f16fightingfalcon on Nov 17th, 2005 at 11:56am
I want to play it on windows media player or somthing like that so i can show it to my friends :)

Title: Re: Can you video a flight in 2004?
Post by Gypsy_Baron on Nov 17th, 2005 at 9:04pm

wrote on Nov 17th, 2005 at 11:56am:
I want to play it on windows media player or somthing like that so i can show it to my friends :)



Here's a 5 min+ video I just made using the latest unregistered version
of FRAPS. I converted it to a low bandwidth WMV format for uploading.
Originally it was several 30 second  640x480 25FPS AVI's, each of around
50-80MB's in size.

The WMV file is only 6 MB in size. It has sound, however I didn't
add annotation as I usually do.

It's a CAT shot of my A6E from the USS Roosevelt steaming west
off the Golden Gate. I used P. Clawson's movable "USS Stennis"
which I moved to the SF position, added the CVN-71 Island to create
the Roosevelt incarnation and surrounded it with 2 DD's, 2 DDG's,
2 supply ships, a BB and a submarine...all static of course created
from API's available on various sites. I also added some static aircraft
to the Roosevelts deck.

After the launch I turn left and overfly the static USS Kittty Hawk, the
default FS9 CV off San Francisco, to which I added some aircraft on
deck. Nect to the Kitty Hawk is a fleet of WWII AI vessels that begin
to get underway during my flyover. I have these programmed to steam
into San Francisco Bay and dock there.

Also in "my Navy" but not seen in this short clip are several AI Coast
Guard vessels and another AI Nimitz class carrier that start in the
bay over nearAlameda and steam out the Golden Gate.

Unfortunately, to reduce the download size of the video clip it is rendered
at 320X240 but will give you an idea of what can be done with FRAPS
and Windows Movie Maker.

http://www.cris.com./~pstrogen/temp/Media/CAT_Launch.wmv

I will be removing this video clip in a few days to "preserve" my bandwidth
on my CRIS utility site so grab it now.

I'll probably upload a short video of the CV "trap" that I made after this
CAT shot/flyover in a day or two...

  Paul


Title: Re: Can you video a flight in 2004?
Post by f16fightingfalcon on Nov 20th, 2005 at 11:14am
thanks ill try it.
one quick question... how did you get all the other aircraft on the carriar, and the ships around it? Thats cool! :D

Title: Re: Can you video a flight in 2004?
Post by syed on Oct 19th, 2008 at 4:49pm
With regards to recording video in Fs2004 pro - that is straight forward - but after the video has recorded where can it be found in the MSFS2004 directory where all the program files are - have recorded several videos and labelled them but cannot find them after I exit MSFS2004.

Please can anyone help

Regards

Syed :(

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